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Michael
from United Kingdom wrote on 10.November 2003 um 16:19 Uhr: |
IP Adresse: 213.78.9.220 (62.67.214.55)
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\"Micheal, though you have \"clarified\" your position about the LRA not surrendering unconditionally as to mean guarantees for his safety, I still find it difficult to believe you. What if Kony read your statement would\'nt he take courage from it and demand for very unrealistic surrender terms? In the meantime the killings would continue.\" : Moses Ebu.
Mr Ebu, thank you for your response to my posting. However, I differ with you for the following reasons:
1. The \"military solution\" has been used unsuccessfully for the past 17 years. It is not ending the war, no is there any sign that there is light at the end of the tunnel. Instead, we seem to be getting deeper and deeper into the tunnel with more and more areas affected, AND more and more civilians being killed and / or displaced.
2. A few months ago, President Museveni said that he was going to Soroti to co-ordinate the war against the LRA and would drive them out of Teso within ONE week. The LRA are still there, almost 6 months later.
3. As long as the war continues, more and more young men (combatants on both sides) and innocent civilians will be killed or maimed. These people could be leaving a normal existence and contributing to Uganda\'s economy instead of destroying it (the fighters) or depending on rations in camps, with the attendant dangers resulting from poor living conditions etc.
4. I do not think Mr Kony will pay much attention to my opinions, but thank you for flattering me. Seriously, if the fighting can be ended by peace talks, I personally would be in favour, even if it means buildin Kony a mansion to live in. In the short term, that cost may be high but it is no where near the cost to the whole country of a prolonged war.
5. The cost of war is very high. Just imagine (in addition to the irrepla***le lives), there is a heavy loss to the economy and all those shillings spent on arms and other military equipment could be more fruitfully used in building schools, roads |
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Gwanga
from U wrote on 10.November 2003 um 15:34 Uhr: |
IP Adresse: 202.175.95.47,202.175.52.52 (62.67.214.55)
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Godfrey Ayoo Posting of 9.November 2003 um 19:13 Uhr: IP Adresse: 194.8.197.204,194.8.205.238 (62.67.214.55) Is of a typical unprofessional hateful yet obsessed ,emotionally unstable man whop is a danger to society
He a pot/skull full of shit! Man in your advanced age how can you sit down hit the keys to write your opinions and suspicion as facts. No matter how President M7 may hate the Langi and Acholi as you are trying to make us believe so, how is such stuff you have posted achievable? You are RRAI and Monitor is Monitor but you are trying to drag the Daily into UPC darling relationship either to start bullshiting like you or turn it against the govt. Monitor has never declared to be a mouth piece of UPC. Why do you have to speak for monitor, yet you have versions of the same stories which do not match?You are about to reason that is Democracy! To what avail are you doing this? You have been playing the Acholi-Langi tune, now caressing Iteso to fuel your selfish end of turning a people against a people and cause anarchy in Uganda. IS THIS THE WAY UPC defined democracy? The Musaazi UPC had a beautiful chatter, and obote walked away from it as he desired a certain type of people dominate Uganda. In any case these tribes your are giving false information which is your own thinking, should instead turn against you because you do not have a sense of reason, or sanity or have them at heart you no good Langi. Does Alex whose brother are being massacred share the same thinking and approve of your endangered your own people. You are danger to Society and Germany which operates on democracy should depot you at once. For those who care for a united Uganda, must file in petitions to all Germany missions to get rid of this insane man. For how long, long will it continue with the UPC tribal card law of dog eat dog. Even UPC people with some sanity, must disown this deranged obsessed no go member of theirs. Are your insane ideas representative of |
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Godfrey Ayoo
from Cologne - Germany wrote on 10.November 2003 um 09:59 Uhr: |
IP Adresse: 194.8.197.204,195.14.251.60 (62.67.214.55)
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Agaba,
How do you define terrorism, if terrorism is armed men killing civilians, then dictator Museveni is a terrorist who has killed people through land minds and bombs on the Kampala-Gulu Highways and in pubs, he has robbed banks, hijacked an aircraft, assisted in shooting down the aircraft which resulted in the death of a French Pilot, Presidents of Rwanda and Burundi and other highly placed commanders and politicians of Burundi and Rwanda. The killer dictator Museveni locked up´and set fire under a train wagon in Kumi whereby hundreds of Ugandans were roasted to death, burried people alive in Gulu Kitgum, Pader et al. If rebellion is terrorism, then killer dictator Museveni is a Regional terorist in Africa who has formed, funded, armed and fought along with not less than seven rebels forces in eastern DRC responsible for the killings of millions of congolese, today the world is told about the sad application of rape as a war strategy against women in eastern Congo, all by armed men supported by the killer dictator Museveni. Then, just don\'t forget the one batalion of UPDF who have remained in the DRC until today. Then when USA didn\'t want to give UGanda money under Clinton, your dear killer dictator organised a terrorist attack against Tourists in Bwini Forest blaming it on poor Hutu being hunted down in the forests in a wild animal game style. |
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Michael
from United Kingdom wrote on 9.November 2003 um 21:44 Uhr: |
IP Adresse: 213.78.9.220 (62.67.214.55)
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It is a pity that it has not occurred to some people that individuals can agree on some issues without belonging to the same party, or for that matter, have broadly similar political views and yet disagree on some matters.
To me, it is not important whether or not a person called Kony or a group called LRA exists, or is used as a cover by some unseen forces seeking to destabilise and terrorise some parts of Uganda. What is important is that the people are being terrorised, and that those responsible are made to stop forthwith.
Uganda is not unique in having suffered from civil war(s). Older countries like Ethiopia, the USA, Russia, China, France, and England have all experienced it as have new countries like Nigeria, Angola and Sudan. Civil wars, by their very nature, pit brother against brother and tend to be very bitter and extremely difficult to resolve. In many cases, the solution required to end a civil war is a very hard pill to swallow for some of the parties. And, to make matters even more difficult, the warring parties have to live together afterwards.
I maintain that those who expect Kony to surrender unconditionally and accept defeat are living in cloud cuckoo-land. I do not have to support or love or know Kony to see this. The war in Uganda will only be resolved through dialogue. It may even require radical solutions like guaranteeing Kony\'s safety (a personal amnesty) and granting him a \"pardon\" in the same way that members of the Apartheid government in South Africa, leaders of the American civil war, and Emeka Ojukwu in Biafra / Nigeria were dealt with. I do not have to be opposed to the current government of Uganda, either, to state that the country belongs to all Ugandans and that a solution which returns peace and stability to the country must be sought, no matter how repugnant it may be to the egos of some powerful politicians. |
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Edward Mulindwa
from Canada wrote on 9.November 2003 um 16:57 Uhr: |
IP Adresse: 216.154.12.72 (62.67.214.55)
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| One of the things which bother my mind on Uganda issues, is the total failure of all us to accept a very simple fundamental human right factor, that we can think as individuals. It bothers my mind very much when ever you log on any Uganda forum and you find that every body must belong to some body or some camp. Whether this cheap thinking is a result of colonialism I wonder. I came in this very forum, I made a statement that we do not have Konny in Northern Uganda. And I based that conclusion on my own facts, found again by my self as Edward. The duty then must be on me to back up such a claim. And that is my God given right, which must be respected by any body with a rational thinking. And I must as well respect those who believe that Konny exists and is killing Ugandans, but the point we must all agree to reach, is both sides to explain why it believes so. Ugandans are so pathetic that they can not reach that point. I am now camped with Godfrey Ayoo, a man who by the way believes that Konny exists. Do I have to belong to Obote to open up my mouth? Do I have to support Konny to make my comments on Northern Uganda? Do I have to be in Uganda to state what I think of my country? There are issues we can not deny today, Uganda is not stagnant, but in full reverse gear. Mityana again, I got a report last week that patients are doubled up in hospital beds, so they get a patient suffering from Malaria and put him together with a coughing patient. That did not even happen on Amin\'s watch, That is not a hospital but an infection centre. But the people fighting my reasoning are calling me a non Muganda, what has tribe got to do with my argument? Do you believe that Konny exists and he kills Ugandans? Give me the proof for I will give you my base for that reasoning. A reasoning I have held for a long time by the way, and those like Godfrey Ayoo who have been with me on Ugandanet can witness to the same fact. So let us get out of our nonsense and be adults to reason as human |
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Gwanga
from U wrote on 9.November 2003 um 15:21 Uhr: |
IP Adresse: 202.175.95.47,202.175.52.43 (62.67.214.55)
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Godfrey Ayoo’s radio RRAI is deeply involved in rumor mongering, mad slinging, misleading people by publishing false news so as to paint a picture of its popularity that actually does not exists. It is also involved in a false campaign to boost morale of the remaining LRA, whom ayoo’s boss milton obote regards as fighters against dictatorship. One wonders whether the poor peasants who reside in protected camps running away from the bloody LRA and Kony are the dictators! Ayoo is a UPC terribly obsessed pimp, wasting his life in things that do not benefit mankind, yet soliciting for funds to give himself a comfortable life, and expend the rest into activities which are not at all condusive to even his own Langi mother. May be Aucle obote, Oyite Ojok,Apona Acaka foundations
GodfreyAyoo rom Cologne - Germany wrote on 4.November 2003 um 09:43 Uhr:IP Adresse: 194.8.197.205,213.168.96.25 (62.67.214.55)An anonymous Intelligence officer confided to RRIA that it was an internal conflict within the LRA commanders over the operational strategy and methods of relations with non combatants that led to a fight culminating in the shooting dead of Tabuley, hence it was not the UPDF soldiers who did the big fish in, otherwise the UPDF which doesn\'t hesitate to flash photos (of bullet ridden bodies of abducted children killed in the batles against the rebels) would not have hesitated to have Tabuley\'s on the front page of its newspaper the New Vision.
LRA escapee says Tabuley is alive
http://www.monitor.co.ug/news/news2.php
By Sylvester Onyang
Nov 9, 2003
KAMPALA - A man who escaped from rebel captivity has said the LRA\'s deputy commander, Mr Charles Tabuley, reportedly killed by the UPDF in Pader district last week, is alive.
Mr Isaac Ochola, who says he escaped from the Lord\'s Resistance Army rebel bases in Pader, told Sunday Monitor, Friday at the paper\'s offices in Kampala, that he saw Tabuley being transported away from the camp where he had been brou |
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Michael
from United Kingdom wrote on 9.November 2003 um 15:01 Uhr: |
IP Adresse: 213.78.9.220 (62.67.214.55)
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\"Do you know that the government of Uganda has initiated several attempts with LRA but the have refused due to outside based forces like Micheal who do not want LRA to surrender unconditionally as that would be \"an unrealistic position which will cost Uganda a lot more lives in the future\"?: Ebu
With due respect, Mr Ebu, you have failed to grasp my point. It seems that in your rush to support the official NRM line (for reasons best known to yourself) you have either misinterpreted or CHOSEN to misrepresent my point. I want the war to end, and I frankly do not care how it is ended. Any intelligent person (and I assume you are) will accept that Kony will not lay down arms without some guarantees from the government. This is what I call \"unconditional surrender\". It would have been equally naive to have expected Museveni to unconditionally lay down arms when Obote or Okello was in power in the 1980s.
\"Should I also band your together with Mulindwa, Micheal etc? Did you set up this GuestBook for open and frank debate or was it meant only for UPCs to massage their bruised egos?\": Ebu.
Again, Mr Ebu, your reasoning is not only off the mark, but bordering on being irrational. What makes you think I\'m a UPC supporter? If you look at earlier postings, you will see that I have called for both Obote and Museveni to leave ther political scene. I stopped supporting UPC in 1980. You, on the other hand, could justifiably (on the basis of your postings to date) be called a blind Musevenist.
Mr Ebu, I have never held ANY office in government in Uganda, and have never benefited from the rule of ANY Ugandan leader, having lived ALL my adult life outside Uganda. Do not give me labels based on your political prejudices for all I want is a return to peace and normalcy in my country. Can I assume the same of you? |
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Mulindwa Edward
from Canada wrote on 9.November 2003 um 14:49 Uhr: |
IP Adresse: 216.154.12.72 (62.67.214.55)
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Mwaami/Mukyala Agaba
It is very frightening that you are pleading for more time to end this war. It is more frightening that you are still promising that this war as many examples you have given will end. When exactly is that? At how many dead people? My stand is this, the war in Northern Uganda has dragged on for too long and it must end now and today. We have been given promises today yesterday and God knows when after, but we are not any closer to the end of this war than ten years ago. And for the record The Movement has been in power for almost twenty years, it has gone politically bankrupt as it was in its inception. We need some fresh ideas, we need some new input, and we need a change in road map today. So do not spend much time on a dying horse. Let me mention as well that having a proper identity is good, for you have been able to use my real name to vent, can you imagine if I wanted to vent at you, what name do I actually use? On your report to the American and Canadian government let me add in what you did not know, Canada is the only nation where your President can not come as a Head of State, and when he comes here he comes as any other local person, but never as a Head of State. That stand has been like that since he came to power to today. just that you understand, Museveni goes to Washington as a Head of State, but he can not be allowed to visit Canada as a Head of State. Now spend some time and find out why?
Have a good Sunday
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Gwanga
from U wrote on 9.November 2003 um 14:40 Uhr: |
IP Adresse: 202.175.95.47,202.175.52.43 (62.67.214.55)
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The world is presently well informed of who and Godfrey Ayoo is! Man you must be a total shitmach! No matter what, your wishes of regaining power, through Joseph Kony, Tabley and the like is impossible. We have been with you people for some decades. Museveni is not the best, but he is a better person to be with than to reckon with Kong and your hidden Agenda. At this juncture, you must also stop telling lies of some UPDF miltary personnel who confine in you. Who are you Ayoo? After romour mongering here, Monitor, a daily you are dying to associate with, came up with another piece of News about Tabuley. A person went right to their office and refuted the lies you have been hauling over RRAI. You are endangering the very people you claim to be figting for. There is no one you are fighting for expext your own agande, and that Clown of Obote.
You are a man of some age, for that matter Ayoo, whatever you benift from the war and whatever you are expecting to achieve , try to achieve, this Grow Up Peter Piper. |
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Godfrey Ayoo
from Cologne - Germany wrote on 9.November 2003 um 10:48 Uhr: |
IP Adresse: 194.8.197.205,195.14.251.173 (62.67.214.55)
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The only terrorists I know of are Lt. Gen. Museveni and you who use executive and military powers to terrorise the entire nation, the great lakes region and Africa. My real and true identies are not and will never be hidden. I am Godfrey Ayoo, ELUM ANIAP a Lango, northerner and Ugandan. Agaba alias Gwanga, alias Peter Okello, alias Ebu, alias Ogaba et al, my position on northern Uganda is:
1. Dictator and Killer Lt. Gen. M7 admits a peaceful setlement with all people of Uganda invloved (political, religious and civic bodies,
2. The name tag-terrorist be revoked to entice the armed men approach the table of peaceful setlement,
3. The international Community ,especially countries like the one you have refered to ought to forced down your throats the inevitable and very essential urgency for peaceful settlement since your regime continue to reject external intervention in northern Uganda.
4. RRIA suuports all voices calling and seeking for an external supervised and monitored peaceful settlement in northern and eastern UGanda |
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