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Antony
from United Kingdom wrote on 8.Dezember 2003 um 17:01 Uhr: |
IP Adresse: 172.187.124.244 (62.67.214.55)
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Thanks for the reply D.Kaberenge,
/“I will cite an incident where in 1995, I heared with my own ears the then powerfull government minister of cooperatives and marketing \"Sir Rihard Rich\" Kaijuka, on a state visit to Sweden in the company of
then finance minister Mayanja Nkanji, was addressing Ugandans living there, said that they should not expect an individual to come from the North of Uganda i.e. Gulu, Kitgum and Lira to rule Uganda again.”/
For a high-ranking civil servant, particularly that holding the office of minister to make such a state just goes to show how backward Uganda really is. In a democracy such a mistake could seal the political future of the person in question and any hope of progressing in the civil service. Incidentally what happened to this Mayanja fellow? What action was taken by the government to show that his view was an isolated one and not popularly held by government?
/“The second statement was made by another agent of his who was implicated in the massacres in the North during operation North. This man was a Lieutnant by then, 1989-91, around that time. He said there was no need to spare the locals of these areas and no need to fear anyreprisals, since they were not human beings being killed, but mere biological substances.”/
If there exist evidence of war crimes then I think those concerned should be prosecuted. The idea of setting up an international criminal court to try specifically this kind of crime is a very good one and it would have been on a fast track by now if the USA under president Bush did not withdraw his support. The Europeans are very much in favour of this, as it would make it much, much easier to try war criminals. I hope that the current stalemate is temporary and sometime in the near future we will have such a court.
Just last week Bush backed down from imposing tariffs on European steel, thus avoiding a damaging trade war with Europe. Just like he was wrong to pull out of the Kyoto agreement I bel |
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Mulindwa Edward
from Toronto wrote on 8.Dezember 2003 um 12:47 Uhr: |
IP Adresse: 216.154.15.95 (62.67.214.55)
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Moses Ebu
Thank you for posting facts about the future of Uganda and not dragging us into history which is not help full. Now in the same spirit of not mentioning the history, let me remind you some future points you disregarded. Obote never hated Baganda, that is one of the statements we must just accept as an accepted statement wrong as it may be, for you can not back it up factually and no single person out there who can back it up. When Obote was a president of Uganda, we were in Uganda as many of you were, and let me point this out, Buganda has never been as powerful as it was under the Obote\'s government. The Baganda I know, held the most powerful positions in Uganda government at that time than they have ever held before or after. The fact that this was a government led by Obote must not deter the truth from us. let me add as well that the powerful positions Baganda held were actually with powers which were used again by Baganda, un like NRM which made Kiseka a Vice President, and a man had to buy curtains for his office, in fact he ended up dying like a Dog for all his land was all but gone. yes Kiseka died a squatter. Or the current Vice president who we are still figuring out what his job is. The Baganda of Obote\'s government were powerful and they made decisions which built our nation from strength to strength. So your coming here and you publicly state that Obote hated Baganda is a very unfortunate statement from a very unfortunate man. The tribalism I was referring too, is the one which NRM used in Luwero, to make sure that all Rwandese are recruited and no single Muganda was accepted in that force yet he was fighting in Buganda. And it is on record that after Museveni accepted them to join, any Muganda who proved to be a good fighter was killed by NRM in the Bush. And if you do not know what was happening in the triangle contact me for I was in Luwero through out that war. Now that is the man who hates Baganda, it is Museveni. But being shrewd, he |
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D.Kaberenge
from Kiribati wrote on 8.Dezember 2003 um 12:47 Uhr: |
IP Adresse: 212.130.66.250 (62.67.214.55)
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Anthony, on the 4/12/03 you asked whether Museveni made the 2 statements you quoted. I would like to react to respond to react to the ques tion.
I do not remember having heared Museveni himself making such statements, but I heared, and it is on record, some of his men making the very statements you quoted.
I will cite an incident where in 1995, I heared with my own ears the then powerfull government minister of cooperatives and marketing \"Sir Rihard Rich\" Kaijuka, on a state visit to Sweden in the company of
then finance minister Mayanja Nkanji, was addressing Ugandans living there, said that they should not expect an individual to come from the North of Uganda i.e. Gulu, Kitgum and Lira to rule Uganda again.
Someone in the audience asked him who he was to decide for Ugandans who should rule them and who should not. He fumbled with words and just continued saying he was assuring them that will never happen again. They
stop dreaming and think of making their lives better in exile. He in escence implied that they have even no place back at home. They should not think of going back.
This was one of Museveni´s right hand men. In effect he was echoing Museveni`s message that they should not waste time, life and resources fighting the NRM government.
The second statement was made by another agent of his who was implicated in the massacres in the North during operation North. This man was a Lieutnant by then, 1989-91, around that time. He said there was no need to spare the locals of these areas and no need to fear anyreprisals,
since they were not human beings being killed, but mere biological substances. The soldier is or was, I do not know whether he is still alive, called Lt. Rukogota. He was very notorius and dreaded even by fellow soldiers. He is one of those who tarnished the reputation of UNLA during it´s days.
He served as a sergent in the defunct UNLA. So he worked from inside to bring down the government then. This statement of his also appeared |
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Agaba
from Uganda wrote on 8.Dezember 2003 um 07:10 Uhr: |
IP Adresse: 81.199.21.6 (62.67.214.55)
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Van-Hecke: Kony war must end
DETERMINED: The European Parliament MP lobbing for North Uganda
--I took Olara Otunnu to task about the children and he said I was behaving like Museveni’s PR agent
By Denis Ocwich
The soft-spoken Belgian is very articulate, especially on matters to do with international politics and civil wars. He understands the dimensions of the conflict in Northern Uganda better than most Ugandans.
“This on-going war is the worst abuse of human rights in the world… and the West has forgotten it, maybe because there is no gold or diamonds here,” he said during an interview at Lira Hotel, recently.
Within the last two years, Van Hecke has shuttled between Brussels and Uganda more than 20 times to link NGOs from Europe to Northern Uganda so as to help the innocent people trapped in the blood-curdling Kony war.
This he has been doing hand-in-hand with his wife Els de Temmerman, author of the book Aboke Girls.
Together, the pair has raised millions of shillings from well-wishers in their home country Belgium for helping formerly abducted children and other victims of the insurgency.
Since 2000, they have held public dialogue in Belgium to raise money and create awareness about the conflict.
Van Hecke, in particular, has spoken out openly in political fora, including his Parliament and the Union of African, Pacific and Caribbean Countries (ACP-U) calling for international effort towards ending the Kony menace.
They have also taken some ex-captives from northern Uganda to Belgium, either to testify about their plight, or for treatment in hospitals there.
Last month, the couple was in Lira where hundreds of villagers have been displaced in town by the bloodthirsty rebels. First to land in Lira was Els and later the legislator.
“My wife called asked me to come with some help for these people,” he says. From Brussels, he quickly convinced an international humanitarian agency, Medicins Sans Frontieres (MSF) Holland, to come |
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Gwanga
from U wrote on 7.Dezember 2003 um 17:14 Uhr: |
IP Adresse: 202.175.95.47,202.175.67.60 (62.67.214.55)
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Ayoo, Sir,
If you never read the psoting below, please do so and you owe the world some answers you murderers of their own peoples.
Agaba
from Uganda wrote on 7.Dezember 2003 um 08:33 Uhr:
IP Adresse: 81.199.21.6 (62.67.214.55)
Mr. Ayoo,
No , I have not been long on this forum.I want to state it categorically that I contribute to this forum as an individual in my own capacity and for the following reasons:
1-Expose the falsehoods put forward on this forum by Kony\'s agents, propagandists,supporters, financiers and apologists . In this respect several of them from Canada,Kenya, London and Uganda have been exposed.
2-Expose the bankruptcy of the above groups.
3-Expose the heinous acts of LRA terrosts led by Yosefu Kony.
For the above reasons I do not qualify to be a rebel or rebel sympathiser. I would still want to know from you as to why Kony should boast to abductees about having his radio in form of RRIA if he has no business with it. Two, why should Kony and his commanders pick alot of interest in your radio assuming they have no business with it?Three , why is the idealogy of your radio/form is similar to that of LRA ? Is it by coincidence or by design? |
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Mulindwa Edward
from Canada wrote on 6.Dezember 2003 um 21:16 Uhr: |
IP Adresse: 216.154.8.202 (62.67.214.55)
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Moses Ebu
But bare with me only this time.
Do you see the road our nation is taking today? Look on only your very previous posting. It is the Acholi\'s The Iteso\'s The Langi\'s The What have you. When and what day can we ever sit down as Ugandans and discuss a problem facing us as Ugandans? For we surely do have a problem facing us as Ugandans. And this tribal disease has been sown in Uganda by Uganda national resistance Movement, for I have never heard in Uganda aware fought for these tribes of those tribes. And let me go back with you, during the Tanzanian attack on Uganda, Iddi Amin through Radio Uganda sent out alot of statements, but he never sent one out that this tribe or that tribe is fighting, this was an attack on Uganda. let us go inLuwero where NRM was bombing ambulances with patients, still Obote\'s government never stated that Banyankole or rwandese are attacking us in Luwero, it was again attacking Uganda and destroying ambulances with patients, like the ambulance of Mubende Hospital which was bombed by NRM when it was taking a patient. Why is it important for you and for every NRM operative to link the war in the North with tribes? Why do you see Uganda in its small enclaves? The iteso, The Baganda, The Banyankole on and on.
When are we ever going to address this problem as a Uganda or a national problem? Why are you so realistic?
That is why I stated before that Uganda\'s problem is only divided into two sectors (1) We need to be nationalistic and (2) we need to be accountable for our actions.
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Vahid Oloro
from Kenya wrote on 5.Dezember 2003 um 12:22 Uhr: |
IP Adresse: 62.8.64.24,192.168.0.4 (62.67.214.55)
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The next liberation of our country is not going to be by those who wield arms. It is going to be by those who advocate the policies of reconciliation, democracy, human rights, economic and social development, etc.
Those who perpetuate the legacy of violence, in whichever pretext, shall be relegated to contempt by history.
The human race has evolved through diverse stages and the stage in which we have entered demands conscience on the nobility of a human being. Characters such as non-violence, quest for democracy, love for each other and unity represent this nobility.
The warlike human being is rapidly disappearing. So for the Musevenis and the Konys, who think that they can still shoot it out while trampling all the rest in their bloodletting orgy, are living light years back from the rest of humankind. It’s this changing stage in the life of humanity’s evolution that has caused George Bush and the once charismatic Tony Blair, credibility, because like Museveni and Kony, they too still live in the notion of a violent human race. |
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