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Antony
from United Kingdom wrote on 22.November 2003 um 01:56 Uhr: |
IP Adresse: 213.122.195.101 (62.67.214.55)
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Questions for Agaba
Its fine for you to publicise the atrocities committed by the elusive LRA but do you deny that the UPDF have been involved in similar atrocities?
As we have learnt the UPDF and the rebels use the same uniform, something I find astonishing, so it’s really not knowable who is killing people? Of course its very easy for the UPDF to blame the LRA even for atrocities it should be credited for!
And with the vast access to the media the UPDF enjoys it could simply blame everything illegal its done on the LRA and confuse people because it’s in the interest of the UPDF that its adversary should have bad! Only the people living this nightmare know what’s really going on and this is what they have revealed. There is still more we are to find out.
Of course some one not very familiar with the history of the conflict may believe everything that comes from the UPDF, lock stock and barrel. But given the reputation of the UPDF( Museveni’s personal army ), its surprising some people take what they say seriously.
The UPDF has lost all credibility and it must prove to the people that it’s a non-partisan and professional national army. It’s interesting to note that the residents of Nebbi have complained about the UPDF patrolling its vicinity because they are not trust worthy. Who in their right mind would entrust their life with an army that has reputation of the UPDF but the dictatorship its self. I don’t think the junior ranks are to blame, they havnt been looked after like the deserve. The state of the UPDF reflects on the leadership of the organisation, which is incompetent, corrupt and seriously lacking.
I asked you this question before but you seemed to have ignored and I will ask it again as you have decided to return to this forum.
/“Agaba, how do you explain cases of rape committed routinely by UPDF in northern Uganda. A week before, two ladies were guned down, last week a 72 years old woman was raped by the UPDF in Acholi. Is rape one of the |
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Agaba
from Uganda wrote on 20.November 2003 um 16:07 Uhr: |
IP Adresse: 81.199.21.6 (62.67.214.55)
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Last Updated: Thursday, 12 June, 2003, 12:28 GMT 13:28 UK
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Uganda\'s atrocious war
By Will Ross
BBC, Kitgum, Uganda
Uganda\'s rebel Lord\'s Resistance Army (LRA) has become synonymous with torture, abductions and killings
The LRA use torture to instil fear
\"They tied me and laid me down. They told me not to cry. Not to make any noise. Then one man sat on my chest, men held my arms, legs, and one held my neck\".
\"Another picked up an axe. First he chopped my left hand, then my right. Then he chopped my nose, my ears and my mouth with a knife.\"
23-year-old David was abducted by rebels of the LRA, who falsely accused him of being a government soldier.
While they were carrying out these atrocities, David pleaded with the rebels to kill him.
Instead they wrapped up David\'s ears in a letter warning people against joining the government forces. |
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Mulindwa Edward
from Toronto wrote on 20.November 2003 um 01:45 Uhr: |
IP Adresse: 216.154.0.103 (62.67.214.55)
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Mwaami Ogaba
It is very sad when you post people\'s names in a forum where they can\'t defend them selves, I happen to know almost half of the names you allege to be agents of Kony, and I can tell you that they are dissent people who have responsible lives, some even holding public offices in countries they currently are. I wonder whether you thought about the lives of those people before you slandered them, whether you cared about their families, their children parents and wives. But again you are a Ugandan who does not need to back up what you allege, it must just be accepted, as Obote poisoned Muteesa, yes we must accept that even if the autopsy from a London hospital states other wise. it is as well cynical that a member of parliament who you claim to know to have supplied you with boots, you could not mention his name but you could mention these poor Ugandans. That shows the maturity we have in this discussion. Now on all the deaths that have made you happy in the northern Uganda, allow me to ask you one very simple question. In your assessment, how many Ugandans do you think have to die NRM to understand that they have failed to protect Ugandans, how many lives can it take for the Movement to let Ugandans elect a government which can protect them? And please I need a number, for under NRM Uganda has lost more people, than under all previous governments, all combined. So again how many Ugandans do you think have to die for NRM to know that Uganda as a state has to change leadership?
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Ogaba
from Uganda wrote on 19.November 2003 um 08:00 Uhr: |
IP Adresse: 81.199.21.6 (62.67.214.55)
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Ayoo Mulindwa,
Greetings from the people of Achooli. I have actually been home in the last few weeks. What I found very interesting was that most people I met in Gulu were very happy and full of praise to UPDF following its successfull elimination of a number of LRA commanders. The people actually drunk and danced to their fill when the news reached them that the murderous number 3 to Kony , self styled Brig Charles Tabuley and other commanders like Lt Col Celestino Akuri, Dr Chanddong, and Opio Lapanyikwara , Apar were dead.The people actually say that with the death of Tabuley the war is over since Kony has been hidding in Sudan to escape capture. The other talk was about Vincent Otti , number 2 in LRA who is remaining with a few days to get out of the bush after learning that the leader of Rwanda Hutu genocide militia surrendred from DRC to Rwanda government last week without being harmed. Other people I came across who have relatives fighting along side with LRA told me that they have been contacted by LRA commanders to make contacts for them with government officials and arrange their surrender to UPDF. People think that if Vicent Otti surrenders all the commanders like Yardin Nyeko, Sam Kolo,Abudema, Kapere Okello, Lacan ,Angola Onen and the sickly Ochan Bunia will follow. There was also talk in Gulu town that after the death of Tabuley , and when otti appeared in papers as having met Col. Kayanja DG ISO, Kony summoned Otti to his base in Imatong hills, Sudan and he refused knowing that it was a trick for Kony to eliminate him. Otti,s meeting with Col. Kayanja and his bid to surrender was also confirmed to me by a respected Acholi elder in Gulu town who attended the said meeting..
The bad news from the North is that the LRA Liberators on 16-Nov-2003 liberated Orum in Lira district and killed 17 people and on 17-Nov-2003 the liberators again raided Adekokwok and Anyangpuch villages in Adwari and hacked 12 people to death |
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Mulindwa Edward
from Canada wrote on 19.November 2003 um 07:32 Uhr: |
IP Adresse: 216.154.13.177 (62.67.214.55)
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In any war to survive one must have the population on his side there is no other way you can fight and that long when you are killing the only people you pretend to be going to liberate. The only person who is success full in doing so is the Kony character. And for the record he has made it a principle factor to kill mostly children. I can comfortably state today that every single family in northern Uganda has lost a relative or a child in this war, but Kony is still a success story un-abetted, for almost 20 years. So if the Acholi\'s and Langi\'s are suffering this way by this misery man, who feeds Kony? Who gives him the intelligence, who hides him? Uganda Government pulled people from their villages and piled them in camps sop that (a) They become safe and (b) so that UPDF destroys the granaries so that Kony does not feed on that staple food, that was way in 87 or about, remember \"We have destroyed the granaries so Kony will die of hunger\"?How does he live?
And Gwanga will tell you, that after Kony kills the population as he has done all this week and last, after he kills children as he has done lately, the Langi\'s and Acholi\'s turn around and support him. Gwanga that does not only sound illogical but plainly stupid reasoning. And the only way I can change in my reasoning is if we pull out UPDF, which we know is a killing machine and then we re asses the situation. I am sorry these deaths all have UPDF all written all over them.
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Gwanga
from U wrote on 18.November 2003 um 15:43 Uhr: |
IP Adresse: 202.175.95.47,202.175.47.15 (62.67.214.55)
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I shudder if the world ever wakes up to Obote III or President Ayoo I of Uganda!
Once upon a time Prof. Yusuf Lule, chair of the UNLA\'s political arm, formed the new government. He called for law and order and outlined a strategy to rehabilitate Uganda. To improve the military\'s reputation, he set new standards of literacy and political education for army and police recruits. To reduce the army\'s political role and build a truly national force, he proclaimed his intention to draw military recruits from all ethnic groups in proportion to their population. Consultative Council (NCC), which became the new legislature, and the Military Commission, which oversaw the army\'s operation, refused to support Lule\'s policies, and they voted him out of office after only sixty-eight days as president.In late 1979, the NCC elected Godfrey Binaisa, who had served as attorney-general under Obote and Amin, to form a new government.
Binaisa, an ineffective president, failed to consolidate support within the military. This allowed senior army officers to operate almost independently of the government. Rather than authorizing military recruiting among all ethnic groups, Binaisa allowed then Minister of Defense Yoweri Kaguta Museveni to enlist a disproportionate number of volunteers from his home region in the southwest. |
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Gwanga
from U wrote on 18.November 2003 um 15:42 Uhr: |
IP Adresse: 202.175.95.47,202.175.47.15 (62.67.214.55)
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The use of regional and ethnic affiliation as a political lever prompted a power struggle with Chief of Staff David Oyite Ojok, a northerner. Binaisa tried to resolve this dispute by dismissing Ojok. The Military Commission rejected this action, ousted Binaisa and the NCC, assumed control of the government, and called for national elections in December 1980. Milton Obote, who had been ousted by Amin\'s 1971 military coup, returned to the presidency through malpractise and rigid elections. To suppress the complaining groups, the Ministry of Defense spent one-fourth of the government\'s recurrent expenditures in 1983 and 1984; nevertheless, the disgrantled groups remained active against the Obote.
The UNLA mounted counterinsurgency operations in numerous areas, including Arua and Moyo in the northwest, Karamoja in the northeast, and Luwero north of Kampala. The army, whose ranks were filled with poorly trained, poorly clothed, poorly fed, and irregularly paid foot Acholi and Langi soldiers, had almost no ability to sustain counterinsurgency operations. Obote and Oyite Ojok’s inability to maintain discipline over the armed forces allowed many units to degenerate into unruly gangs split mainly along the Acholi and Langi tribal lines. The military perpetrated numerous human rights violations and engaged in several illegal activities, including rape, theft, looting, assault, and holding civilians for ransom at mounted road blocks throught the country especially the welth central region. In pursuit of remnants of Amin\'s army in the northwest, Obote ordered his loyal commander David Oyite ojok to lead UNLA troops enter the area and killed thousands of civilians, many of whom were women, children, and old people. |
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Gwanga
from U wrote on 18.November 2003 um 15:38 Uhr: |
IP Adresse: 202.175.95.47,202.175.43.28 (62.67.214.55)
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| According to a 1983 United Nations (UN) report, this reign of terror forced an estimated 260,000 refugees to flee to Sudan and Zaire.In the northeast, cattle rustlers acquired an army arsenal of automatic weapons and ammunition, which they used on raids in neighboring districts as well as southern Sudan and Kenya. In response to these raids, the UNLA and Kenyan authorities mounted a pacification campaign, which resulted in the eradication or displacement of most of southern Karamoja\'s population by mid1984 .Despite its many illegal activities, the UNLA\'s atrocities in the Luwero Triangle attracted the most international attention. In 1980 the inhabitants of this region had rejected Obote\'s rule and welcomed opposition guerrillas, including Museveni\'s NRA. Until the end of the Obote regime in 1985, the UNLA waged war against rebels and civilians in the area, and the Luwero Triangle became known for its devastation. Several local officials estimated that the UNLA killed between 100,000 and 200,000 civilians and that it detained, tortured, and assaulted several thousand others. The International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) reported that 150,000 people displaced from |
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